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Old 11-02-2008, 10:49 PM   #1
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Hi everyone,
I originally posted this in Marco's Coleman Stove thread, but thought I'd put it out here for all to see, comment on, make suggestions, etc. - since we just got back from our first long distance trip and decided it'd be nice to cook our own food once in a while. We like everything from burgers to steaks, so any ideas or help or experiences with different hardware or makes and models is always appreciated. We're not sure if we'll buy up here (now that one U.S. dollar costs us $1.20 of our petro-money) since our prices are usually higher and we pay an extra 13% in GST/PST. It may or may not be cheaper to pay a lower initial price in the States, and then add the exchange. We're heading (we hope) to FLA next week to watch the Endeavour launch, so we'll be near all kinds of Walmarts/Bass Pros/Kmarts/Targets/etc.......

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I'm thinking of getting at least a small Weber BBQ that I could do 2 steaks or 4 burgers etc. on at the back of the RT. I went to my local "RV experts" the other day and they couldn't figure out what kind of single hose would connect the quick connect female on my RT propane tank inside the rear bumper, to a regulator like the one on the little black table top BBQ in your picture. The regulator on it looks pretty standard, or so I thought.
They tried and failed. Do these little portable BBQs need a special adapter to allow them to work off your RV propane? I would have thought (probably in error) that the small (1 lb.?) propane bottles that they're supposed to use would have the same size threaded spout/fitting as the single hose in your first set of pics. I'm probably wrong, although I read some reviews on the Weber Q 100 (which is the one I'm thinking of getting) and some of them mention an adapter of some sort. So maybe it's not that simple, after all?

Any help will be gratefully accepted, including any recommendations of other makes and models of BBQs and hose combinations which I can easily acquire myself. I don't have to get Weber, if it's going to be a hassle to set up.
Thanks,
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Old 11-03-2008, 01:08 AM   #2
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That quick connect fitting on Roadtrek's propane tank is handy. If the Weber BBQ that you are looking at can run off of a 1lb disposable propane tank then it should work with a hose made for the Roadtrek type fitting.

You can purchase the hose through a Roadtrek dealer. One end of the hose looks like this:



and the other looks like this:



It has the same thread as a 1lb disposable propane bottle.

The very helpful folks at M.B. Sturgis informed me that their hose assemblies will work with the Roadtrek fitting.

Contact them to make sure:
http://www.mbsturgis.com/Contact.htm



Link to the parts noted above:

http://mbsturgis.com/products/mb/rv-...onnection.html

This message from Peter Lange of Roadtrek Motorhomes was posted on the Yahoo Group:

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We have limited the length of our hose that we supply to 8 feet. This was done for a reason, not "just 'cuz". There is already a 4 foot length of hose from the tank valve to the quick-connect. With an additional 8 feet, that makes 12 feet. If the extension is longer than this the volume of propane released from the tank when opening it after connecting the extension hose can, because it is under higher pressure than the regular appliances, cause the excess-flow valve in the tank valve system to engage, stopping the flow of propane to anything. Once this happens it can be a lengthy and frustrating experience if the user is not aware of this check valve and how to "uncork" it and they will expend much energy cursing us out. I'm sure the 6 foot hose would be fine, but adding a 12 foot hose to the existing 4 footer is almost guaranteed to trigger the check valve.

I don't know if I've explained this right, so if you need more info on this let me know.

Cheers,
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Based on that I'd suggest the 100476-60 5' hose from M.B. Sturgis. Find out what their return policy is before you buy.

Check with a local Roadtrek dealer first though. See what price they can give you for a factory authorized part.
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I think it was Bill Diel, Jr. from M. B. Sturgis that I exchanged emails with. I contacted them because their company name was on some of the paperwork included with my Roadtrek. I think it was instructions on how to operate the valve.

At the time, Bill informed me that they used to supply the part that Roadtrek used but they were not doing so anymore. The part on my Roadtrek was made overseas, not by M. B. Sturgis. Neither of us could figure out how the instructions from M. B. Sturgis got in with all my other Roadtrek related documents. We surmised that Roadtrek must have included it even though I didn't actually have a part made by M. B. Sturgis.
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After doing some reseach and asking around, this is what we found out: Vehicle mounted propane tanks have a build-in regulator on the tank, all gas suppy from that tank is therefore regulated before going into any gas appliances, including any gas BBQ that you wish to connect. Most portables, have an integrated gas control knob/regulator on the BBQ and therefore don't work properly with a pre regulator gas supply. If you want to connect the gas BBQ, you need to have a gas BBQ that does not have a regulator built in, such as Broil-King porta-chef (has a removeable regulator so you can take it off) . They are out there but are not always easy to find especially that are small enough to find stowage space. We have not gone to a propane dealer to see if the BBQ mounted regulator can be replaced.
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"We have limited the length of our hose that we supply to 8 feet. This was done for a reason, not "just 'cuz". There is already a 4 foot length of hose from the tank valve to the quick-connect. With an additional 8 feet, that makes 12 feet. If the extension is longer than this the volume of propane released from the tank when opening it after connecting the extension hose can, because it is under higher pressure than the regular appliances, cause the excess-flow valve in the tank valve system to engage, stopping the flow of propane to anything. Once this happens it can be a lengthy and frustrating experience if the user is not aware of this check valve and how to "uncork" it and they will expend much energy cursing us out. I'm sure the 6 foot hose would be fine, but adding a 12 foot hose to the existing 4 footer is almost guaranteed to trigger the check valve.

I don't know if I've explained this right, so if you need more info on this let me know.

Cheers,
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Roadtrek Motorhomes Inc. "


My Roadtrek has a Manchester propane tank. Not sure what other van conversions might have,
but if they use the same manufacturer, doesn't the highlighted in red part of the quote imply that there isn't a regulating device on the external tank to the fitting? Maybe it's a date specific thing with newer or older
tanks having a built in regulator. I''m still looking at adding a small BBQ this spring.
I suspect I'll have to take my van to my nearest RT service centre to get the right parts and grill.

Thanks for the additional info, food for thought,
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:49 AM   #6
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I'm a newbie to this forum and to RVing in general, so I'm probably re-inventing the wheel, but here goes: we bought a 2002 Roadtrek 190P (and LOVE it), but I don't care to cook inside on the rather small 2-burner when I could be tailgaiting in the sun and flipping burgers on a grill like I'm used to doing at home.

We've become regulars at our local Camping World store, and they sold us an Olympian 5500 stainless steel grill [http://www.campingworld.com/shopping.../37764]--looks great, works even better. It has a short hose with a quick connect on both ends: the male end connects to the female quick connect coming from the Roadtrek propane tank, and the female end attaches to the flow regulator on the grill. I was psyched.

Trouble is, when I got everything connected and opened the propane tank valve, I heard a loud and ominous hissing from the burner unit, so I closed the valve and just cracked it a little so the flow wasn't excessive. Still, with the valve barely cracked, flames shot up from the burner unit about 3 or 4 inches above the grilling surface. Clearly the system was lacking a regulator, so I went shopping.

I didn't want to extend the length of the hose (for reasons cited earlier in this thread), so I went to Menards and bought a quick connect kit (Mr. Heater F276181) which has a male and female both having 1/4" pipe thread) and a propane regulator (Mr. Heater F273767) which has a 1/4" female inlet and a 3/8" female outlet. With a little teflon tape, the male quick connect was soon attached to the 1/4" female inlet of the regulator. Here's the tricky part, though: the outlet of the regulator is 3/8" female, and the female quick connect has a 1/4" female pipe thread. This necessitated a trip to our local specialty hardware store where we located a fitting with a male 1/4" to male 3/8" pipe thread. More teflon tape, and voila! The grill works to perfection.

I attach the regulator to the quick connect coming from the propane tank. You could attach it between the grill and its supplied hose, but when it is attached between the two hoses, it rests very safely on the bumper rather than hanging rather clumsily off the side of the grill.

Here is the grill:


Here is the quick connect hose supplied with the grill, and my home-made quick connect regulator:

Here's a close up of the regulator with attached male and female quick connects:

And finally, here's another close up of the female side showing the 1/4" to 3/8" male to male fitting to connect the female quick connect to the female regulator outlet:

Total cost: $200 for the grill (on sale at Camping World) and roughly $20 for the regulator, quick connect kit, and fitting. The Olympian 5500 makes a mean burger, and has more surface area than most camping grills. I really am psyched.

Now, if I could just figure out how to securely attach the grill mounting bracket to my class IV hitch...
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:12 PM   #7
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Default Re: "RT BBQ hoses/connectors/experiences" type question.

WOW!
That's a story and a half.
I plan to visit a Camping World next trip south (I don't think they exist in Canada yet)
and see what's available. We've seen the odd one while on the freeways, but usually can't find
the exit to get to them easily, so we haven't been to any yet.
I just happen to have the same rig as you, so the parts and numbers will be a help.

Thanks for posting up your "project".
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:56 PM   #8
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If you pull out the R/T hose, through the hole in the bumper, you will find a tag wrapped around the hose. This tag has some very useful information on it.

It says that the pressure from the tank is regulated down to about 10 psi. This is not low enough for a normal BBQ, and the built in rergulators on a BBQ need to be used. If your BBQ does not have a low pressure regulator, you will need to install one.

The Stainless BBQ shown in the earlier post has no regulator, and needed one. The BBQs that use the 1 lb bottles, have a built in regulator, and will work right of the end of the hose.
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I have a 12' hose, but have not tried it yet. I picked this length, so I could cook under the awning, out of the rain.

The little note from R/T listed above, did not suggest a how to reset the shut-off valve, for a longer hose on the propane tank.

Anyone know how to do this?
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Good question. I'll send a note to RT Service and ask, as I'm curious about "uncorking"
the excess-flow valve now myself. Sounds to me like your 12' hose may engage it, based
on Peter Lange's reply below. He suggests a max length of 8 additional feet from the quick
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