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Old 04-16-2018, 07:16 PM   #1
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I've been looking for some months now at different makes/models of Class B with a view to downsizing from our present travel trailer.

I'm sort of focussing in on the Pleasureway Plateau FL or Roadtrek Adventurous,

But recently started looking more into the Roadtrek 210 Popular which has been made for any years and now can be had with more recent features such as Lithium and underhood generator.

In many ways the 210 seems to meet a lot of our criteria - length is about what we want as we don't have a very long driveway, I like the idea of a GM chassis versus MB, (cost and dealer network - plus we have owned several GMC trucks and been happy with all of them.)

The 210 with its wide body seems to have the widest twin beds, widest aisle, and a usable front dining area setup. As well, I always think the Sprinters look disproportionally tall.

Slightly on the downside, I gather there is a headroom issue when entering via the side door to get used to, and also I'm not thrilled about the location of the A/C taking up storage space in the back of the van. I guess on the plus side it keeps overall height down and looks less like an RV.

I do like the extra outside storage compartments.

Not sure how long RT will continue making the 210 I don't think they make many now. Also, I hear that GM may discontinue the Express van. I'm not sure these would be good reasons not to buy at this time though.

Thinking of resale, perhaps it could be a selling point down the road if you cannot buy a new one any more!

I doubt we would want to be towing a car - but if it turned out that we did, then the 210 has a very good tow rating

Interior design looks a bit dated, especially compared to the snazzy PW models, so I'd have a bit of a selling job with my wife!

I like the Roadtrek 6 yr warranty (including all appliances), and also that we live within an hour of the factory.

I checked with RT and was advised that customers can bring their vans to the factory if desired for any repair work. Of course that would also apply to the Adventurous as well as the 210

I have found a couple of reviews of the 21on the internet and they seem quite positive, but I'm just wondering if anyone here can advise of any particular concerns I should have about the 210 versus the Sprinter-based models - or if you own one what your experience has been.

I wonder - for example - if ground clearance may be less than Sprinter
based B vans and if that could be a concern when camping?

Many thanks ............. Brian.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:48 PM   #2
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GM has been saying for a few years that they might discontinue the Express van. But I don't see anything on the horizon, how are they going to replace the void?
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Here's a walkaround I did on mine right after I bought it last year (before any modifications) -



My build thread HERE

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Hi Hondo,

Much appreciated the link to your video - great job. In terms of layout I don't imagine there is a whole lot of difference to a new one. That armoire looks to be a great idea for extra kitchen storage and I would go that route - no need for the third seat.

Not sure how long ago you bought it and how much you have used it, but have you found any aspect of the layout - or other features - not to your liking or are you pretty happy with it.

Any problems with what looks like fairly low ground clearance, and have you done anything with tires or suspension to raise it at all?

If I remember your video it looks like the 2006 didn't have a bathroom sink. I'd be ok with that, but not my wife, however I think the new ones do have sinks.

Cheers - and thanks again - Brian.
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That armoire looks to be a great idea for extra kitchen storage and I would go that route - no need for the third seat.
For two folks, the third seat appears superfluous but it turns out otherwise if you want to use the forward slide out table for meals. When using the slide out table, the driver and passenger are essentially captives of the table and if, say, you are having lunch it becomes a PITA to get food, plates, cups to and from the table. However, if the "third" seat is the optional Captain's chair, it can be positioned up to the table and permits one of you to use that chair and conveniently access the fridge, sink, microwave etc. Trust me.
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Excellent point - many thanks! That is the sort of thing I was hoping tofind out from this very helpful forum!

Perhaps an option might be to buy it with just the third seat rather than the armoire, then experiment with replacing the seat with a home made padded ox of some sort that could both serve as a seat for using teh table and also provide some added storage.

I really have no feel for how much storage is going to be an issue for us - i know we will have to minimalize considerably from a the stuff we take our
31 ft Airstream trailer, but maybe it won't be as tough as I think I know that even though I continually try to take less clothing on our trips, I still only wear maybe ten percent of what I take! The rest just takes up space!

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I suppose at our age, even if they do discontinue the Express in the near future, parts and such will be available for as long as we are likely to need them -probany no more than five years or so!

The reason I am looking at Class B's is that I think a van camper might extend our RV'ing a few more years than would be the case if we stick with our trailer - it is getting to be a bit more of a challenge for many reasons, much as we still enjoy it!

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Perhaps an option might be to buy it with just the third seat rather than the armoire, then experiment with replacing the seat with a home made padded ox of some sort that could both serve as a seat for using teh table and also provide some added storage.
The other approach would be to forget using the forward table for meals and using the rear table for this purpose. This requires more effort to set up but you could delete the third seat and get the armoir. However, considering the amount of exterior and interior storage on the 210, an armoir might be storage overkill.
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The other approach would be to forget using the forward table for meals and using the rear table for this purpose. This requires more effort to set up but you could delete the third seat and get the armoir. However, considering the amount of exterior and interior storage on the 210, an armoir might be storage overkill.
It is impossible to have too much storage in a B, I think

We have a 190P and had the same problems with the fold out table in it. If you were in the front seats with the table in place, you couldn't get around it to get anywhere else, like the kitchen. We solved it by making a smaller table that left enough room to walk around by the side door. Works very well.

We have added the armoir since, and it still works well.
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The future of the Express?
It is still kicking... in places you didn't know.

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