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Old 01-20-2019, 01:11 PM   #11
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If i'm collected I can make dinner in a instant-pot with only the pot needing clean-up.
Please don't use plastic as a throw away product. It doesn't take much to clean a knife, fork, and spoon. The world has enough contamination.
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Old 01-20-2019, 01:14 PM   #12
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If i'm collected I can make dinner in a instant-pot with only the pot needing clean-up.
Please don't use plastic as a throw away product. It doesn't take much to clean a knife, fork, and spoon. The world has enough contamination.
I couldn't agree more!
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Old 01-20-2019, 01:21 PM   #13
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I would also add that there are compostable cutlery sets available. Of course you have to be able to find them, but I'd hope everyone would think it's worth the effort not to just put more stuff non-decomposing stuff in a landfill. As time goes by more communities have industrial sized composting facilities that make it an easy process.
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Just curious - where do you imagine that compostable cutlery could actually be composted during a 6,000-mile road trip?!

And by what exact calculus would you support the notion that composting a fork rather than disposing of it in a campfire or trash bin would actually make a productive difference in this context?

Here's the sobering truth of this matter: People who are genuinely concerned about pollution, and who are willing to put their money where their mouths are,... those people generally do not buy and use Class Bs in the first place.

Let me thumbnail why this is true. Forget about the phenomenal amount of resources consumed and waste generated during the production of the Class B vehicle itself. For the sake of argument, just take a glance at some representative operating conditions.

For example, I burn 300 gallons of diesel every summer on my reverse-snowbirding migration. That burning liberates 7,385 pounds of carbon dioxide - 3.7 TONS of CO2 - plus other pollutants that are arguably worse! (American Cancer Society article here).

ALL THAT ^^, and I'm supposed to be worried because I dispose of a few plastic forks (which typically go through an average of half a dozen wash cycles prior to being discarded)?!

I encourage everyone to set personal goals and to examine how they might improve their responsible consumption as consumers - but please do not make the mistake of going so far as to start engaging in perfectionism.

If you want to embrace conservation and recycling and similar activities, that's wonderful - we desperately need that kind of public involvement. But if you fall into the trap of thinking like a perfectionist, of missing the big picture and focusing on minutiae like plastic forks, you won't accomplish anything meaningful, and you also won't appear persuasive to others. Double whammy there.

BTW, this is my 27th year working as an environmental consultant. I've owned and operated my own consulting firm for 13 of those years. Distortion of perspective on environmental management priorities has always been one of my pet peeves because it tends to distract, discredit, and eclipse those conservation initiatives that ARE effective.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:07 PM   #15
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I could be completely off on the point, but I'm under the impression that compostable cutlery etc, if not put in a compost bin per se, will at least breakdown in a landfill in less than a lifetime. Whereas plastic is going to take magnitudes of time longer to breakdown. And sure, in the scheme of things that's not much compared to the vehicle itself, but any little bit helps in my opinion.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:04 PM   #16
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"Every little bit" does the opposite of helping when it turns off the public and discourages them from waste minimization. People generally do not tolerate naked hypocrisy.

Here's an analogy. Pop singer Sheryl Crow rightfully ought to be eating some of her own last name - she came out several years ago denouncing the use of toilet paper, under the guise of "every little bit helps".

This is the same woman whose vocation resulted in the sale of 50 million albums, the vast majority of which were produced as individual CDs prior to full digitization of music services (her biggest-selling album was released in 1993).

That's 50 million hunks of the same type of plastic of which disposable forks are made - there's probably enough plastic in a CD plus packaging to make 10 disposable forks. And once we went to digital media, most people ripped their libraries and the majority of those 50 million hunks of plastic ended up in landfills! That's *half a billion* fork-equivalents!

And yet this woman has the gall to get all preachy about toilet paper?! Which, by the way, happens to be made from a renewable resource, duh. AND which undergoes processing here in America, which has developed the most advanced wastewater reclamation technologies on earth (including toilet-to-tap processing capacity).

Sheryl Crow's style of limitless non-thinking boggles the mind and alienates the public. For those who wish to promote conservation, my suggestion is to strive for a far, far higher level of creativity. My favorite approach is upcycling. I'm well-known for picking trash, which most people are too proud to do, but I like to divert valuable materials from landfills. Here are two examples below - some patio edge planters I made after scooping up scraps of subsurface drainage pipe from a construction project (there's more plastic in those than I would ever conserve supposing I recycled every plastic fork that a person could possibly use in a lifetime). And, ramps for my Class B that I made by scavenging wood from the massive trash piles produced when our subdivision contracted for the replacement of our perimeter fence. If you would REALLY like to inspire conservation, try developing and publishing examples such as these.



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Old 01-21-2019, 07:19 PM   #17
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This post has gone WAY off topic. I came looking for easy, no clean, recipes and now I am inundated with politically correct environmental and recycling BS. Sorry folks. I am sticking to cooking my microwave meals in paper and plastic cookware which I can dispose of in any dumpster in any RV park. Note that I have yet to see widespread use of recycling bins in RV parks, so why the big concern? Also, I have so little space that recycling will make life miserable. I have discovered that using a 2-qt slow cooker with foil packets works well for making “hobo” meals. These require a bit more clean up but cold water seems to do well on that. SO, enough of this nonsense. I cannot figure out how to close a thread, so I will be unsubscripted from all of this useless noise… Thanks for all the help up at the start of this. BTW my dogs name is “Cold Water.”
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:40 AM   #18
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Threads don't really "close". Most of the time, they just fade away.

The short answer is that almost any recipe that will work in your home will work for taking on the road. I didn't post about the Foodsaver vacuum-packing appliance in this thread, but I use it extensively for road preparation, both for the Yeti on my hitch carrier that I pack with two monolithic blocks of ice (they remain frozen for cross-country trips) and for preparing smaller portions for storage in my interior fridge freezer.

Beef, pork and bean stews, jambalaya and other protein-rich rice-based one-pot meals, spaghetti sauce, chili, hearty soups, etc. - foods rich in semi-liquid matrices tend to freeze best because they exclude air pockets. Pretty much any one-pot meal tends to freeze well.

Especially for my retrofitted Vitrifrigo fridge, I first freeze portions in rectangular containers. Once frozen, I remove them and vacuum-pack the blocks using the Foodsaver (solid plastic containers take up too much space). The blocks can be fit efficiently in my small freezer using a sorting tray I found at Container Store. The Vitrifrigo's freezer is unusually large for its total size (4.2 CF), so it will accommodate the tray. In the pic below, I show it loosely packed, but it actually holds a lot of stuff. The neatest part about using a tray is that I can pack it efficiently while still in my house, carry the whole thing out to the van and insert it, and then upon arriving back at the house, I move the whole tray back into the house (usually still containing un-eaten items).

The real efficiency gain is realized via the Yeti, though. I developed that method of food transport after realizing that I did not wish to spend half my vacation cooking for five adults (we typically rendezvous with other family in a remote location). Those two monolithic ice blocks weigh about 65 pounds combined. We built a custom hitch carrier for the Yeti to accommodate them.

As for the thread drift, you have a small number of posts, so perhaps have not seen the worst of it yet... if you think plastic forks and other serve-ware are bad for triggering drift, just wait until you stumble across a thread where people feel compelled to advocate for composting toilets, advocate as if the fate of the entire planet rests upon your personal moral refusal to generate wastewater in a Class B (despite the fact that the average American generates 50 gallons/day of wastewater during the natural course of living in stick-and-brick homes). Sometimes I let those drifts go without comment, but on those issues where I know that what's being advocated is detrimental to the public's environmentally-related perspective, I sometimes offer logical rebuttals.

My freezer (with food encapsulated in Foodsaver plastic film that will need to be thrown into a camp fire or trash can after use, along with the plastic forks):



My Yeti ice blocks, just prior to being loaded up for last summer's 5 week road trip (each contains larger food blocks vacuum-packed using the Foodsaver):

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I've said this before when my queries generate "drift," but I'll repeat it here: I like it. Thread drift makes me feel like I'm standing around talking to my friends instead of reading a manual. Sure, the ratio of hard data to opinion can get a bit low, but I'm always free to walk away when things get a bit thick.
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I recommend the slow cooker bags if minimal cleanup is a concern. Just the lid and a quick rinse of the slow cooker ceramic vessel is all that's required. While I appreciate the convenience, I've been striving to reduce waste on my travels so I haven't used them for a while but I can recommend their use when needed!
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