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Old 08-23-2018, 05:49 AM   #21
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The most recent data I could find online shows about 500 class Bs are sold new per month. About 1/3 Winnebago, 1/3 Hymer/Roadtrek and then all the rest. That there are more negative reviews for the leaders is no surprise given the bias for negative reviews posted online.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:53 AM   #22
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I have been reading the owner posts on the Roadtrek Owners Facebook page, and there are several reports of big issues that some owners have had with their new Agiles - much having to do with things that went wrong, and the dealer service, even sending back to Canada for service, did not get fixed right. A long warranty isn't much good if things don't get fixed, or keep going wrong! Sounded like a big nightmare. I have heard that PleasureWay has much better quality control, but since you have to actually be a PleasureWay owner to get into their forum, I havn't been able to get much info on that company. Wonder if you all know more about this (the QC issue).
Do you have any sense from reading the posts about Roadtrek on what range of years you're referring to???

Just wanted to know....

I have a 2012 RS Adventurous by Roadtrek... seems pretty high quality for a used vehicle......

Please let me know... thanks.
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Do you have any sense from reading the posts about Roadtrek on what range of years you're referring to???

Just wanted to know....

I have a 2012 RS Adventurous by Roadtrek... seems pretty high quality for a used vehicle......

Please let me know... thanks.
Yes, it's been the past 2 years (2018 & 19) as I recall - issues having to do with the heating system (not propane) - so it seems the technology in these new units is the problem. but what was most disconcerting is problem in one case, at least with original factory quality, but in others dealer AND manufacturer response to issues in new rvs, as well, not to mention, lack of knowledge and ability of dealer service to fix problems. add to that long wait and in-shop times. best is to read thru them for more details.
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Yes, it's been the past 2 years (2018 & 19) as I recall - issues having to do with the heating system (not propane) - so it seems the technology in these new units is the problem. but what was most disconcerting is problem in one case, at least with original factory quality, but in others dealer AND manufacturer response to issues in new rvs, as well, not to mention, lack of knowledge and ability of dealer service to fix problems. add to that long wait and in-shop times. best is to read thru them for more details.
OK... so, it's not a case of older models like mine.
Yes..new technology if it's still experiencing growing pains sounds disconcerting... they should be more proactive to remedy this.
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OK... so, it's not a case of older models like mine.
Yes..new technology if it's still experiencing growing pains sounds disconcerting... they should be more proactive to remedy this.
I don't think the problem is new technology, itself. Roadtrek's overall build quality has fallen off dramatically in recent years. I suspect it was a lot better years ago, but as class B vans have become much more popular recently, RT's rapidly expanding production has led to most of their quality problems. Plenty of other (lower volume) class B manufacturers are using these same technologies, as well as many European builders, and they aren't having issues.
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We just put a deposit on a used 2016 SS Agile. It was a toss up between the Ascent and Agile but ultimately the increased storage, underhood generator, authorized dealer nearby, and far superior warranty won out. Buying used, the 6 year all-inclusive and transferable coach warranty was very important to us. It even covers the appliances for 6 years-not on an Ascent where they are only covered by shorter appl mfr warranties. The Ascent is absolutely beautiful. For us it came down to function (Agile) over form (Ascent) but I wouldn't be sorry if we'd chosen an Ascent instead. The Agile we've chosen has the 3.0L6 while the Ascent we drove had the 2.1L4 and there was a big performance difference that I noticed and I won't mind the couple MPG tradeoff.

I really liked the idea of a gas powered RAM Promaster chassis and for the price difference of a Sprinter I could've bought a new Travato or Zion, etc. Then I sat in the driver's seat-no go. I'm a tall guy and when I sat down I had the sensation of my knees being up to my ears-an exaggeration but uncomfortable as heck for me. Probably fine for most drivers but the high floor and low seat and steering wheel angle were instant deal breakers for this buyer. Too bad bec I had high hopes before sitting.
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We just put a deposit on a used 2016 SS Agile. It was a toss up between the Ascent and Agile but ultimately the increased storage, underhood generator, authorized dealer nearby, and far superior warranty won out. Buying used, the 6 year all-inclusive and transferable coach warranty was very important to us. It even covers the appliances for 6 years-not on an Ascent where they are only covered by shorter appl mfr warranties. The Ascent is absolutely beautiful. For us it came down to function (Agile) over form (Ascent) but I wouldn't be sorry if we'd chosen an Ascent instead. The Agile we've chosen has the 3.0L6 while the Ascent we drove had the 2.1L4 and there was a big performance difference that I noticed and I won't mind the couple MPG tradeoff.

I really liked the idea of a gas powered RAM Promaster chassis and for the price difference of a Sprinter I could've bought a new Travato or Zion, etc. Then I sat in the driver's seat-no go. I'm a tall guy and when I sat down I had the sensation of my knees being up to my ears-an exaggeration but uncomfortable as heck for me. Probably fine for most drivers but the high floor and low seat and steering wheel angle were instant deal breakers for this buyer. Too bad bec I had high hopes before sitting.
First, the 3 litre V6 is a great engine....I have not driven the 2.1 FOUR.. with the 7 speed transmission, however, my mechanic says that the V6 with the 5 speed is a more balanced set up..... you're talking about a small price on fuel....the V6 has plenty of power.... went up to the Eisenhower summit at 55 MPH ...no problem... that's 11,000 feet....

Yes, Roadtrek has a very good warranty.......

Seating comfort, ....it goes without saying....if you're not comfortable...you won't drive it as much.......

Enjoy your rig.
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I really like the quality on the Ascent and other Pleasure Ways, but now with their standard Lithium batteries, they really need to ditch the old absortion fridge and provide a compressor model.

We can boon dock over night with our compressor fridge, lights, tv, and furnace or Maxxfan and still have 70-75% batteries in the morning. And that is on cheap wet-cell Duracell deep cycles from Sam's Club with about 80 usable amp hours.

With the 180 or so amp hours available with the Pleasure Way, there's no reason for them not to ditch the 100 yr. old technology. If not now, when?
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We just put a deposit on a used 2016 SS Agile. It was a toss up between the Ascent and Agile but ultimately the increased storage, underhood generator, authorized dealer nearby, and far superior warranty won out. Buying used, the 6 year all-inclusive and transferable coach warranty was very important to us. It even covers the appliances for 6 years-not on an Ascent where they are only covered by shorter appl mfr warranties. The Ascent is absolutely beautiful. For us it came down to function (Agile) over form (Ascent) but I wouldn't be sorry if we'd chosen an Ascent instead. The Agile we've chosen has the 3.0L6 while the Ascent we drove had the 2.1L4 and there was a big performance difference that I noticed and I won't mind the couple MPG tradeoff.

I really liked the idea of a gas powered RAM Promaster chassis and for the price difference of a Sprinter I could've bought a new Travato or Zion, etc. Then I sat in the driver's seat-no go. I'm a tall guy and when I sat down I had the sensation of my knees being up to my ears-an exaggeration but uncomfortable as heck for me. Probably fine for most drivers but the high floor and low seat and steering wheel angle were instant deal breakers for this buyer. Too bad bec I had high hopes before sitting.
Thanks for your thoughts.
We like the idea of the more comfortable driving seat as well as the sFety features that other Bs donít have.
That said weíre somewhat wary of the diesel based on what many have reported with less Mercedes dealers and much more expensive parts. We donít see why the diesel should have as many issues if we keep up with service and routine maintenance. We have a Mercedes dealer close and a dealer a couple of hours away.
How do feel about the availability of diesel especially out west and AK? I guess if thatís not in travel plans then less of an issue.
Does anyone know if the PW Ascent will be upgrading to newer technology to match the Agile?
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Honestly you couldn't go wrong with either model. We went with an Agile too. We actually didn't like the "finishes" on the Ascent nor the "fluffier/softer" cushions but everyone is different. We did like having the kitchens flipped like the Ascent. Still, either is a great choice.

We chose the Agile for the "tech" but in a class B and not staying in one place a long time we even question now if we needed the 400 Lithium that we have. We only use 1 at a time and it is always 75% or more left the next morning.

We have ~11,000 miles now and the mileage is getting better as well in our 6 cylinder. We averaged 21.1 MPG on our latest drive from FL to GA. I get 16 MPG around town and does better in town than her old X3 got.
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